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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    BLACK FRIDAY DEAL: Hammer Hangers® 6 year anniversary celebration, Thursday 11/23 & Friday 11/24 til midnight PST! Any direct purchase of Tacoma Hammer Hangers®, get 10% with code nov2023, PLUS a FREE set of Wheel Sensor Skids ($60 value)
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    That expired Sept 10th, but we always offer Tacoma3g members 5%. DM for code Thanks, Eric
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    After 2 years of testing on dozens of trucks, Archive Leaf Springs are live and right now on SALE 15% OFF They've done very well when directly compared to the best leaf springs on the market 100% MADE IN USA with US steel. Please choose to spend slightly more than the overseas options and...
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

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    Tacoma Leaf Springs 2005-2023 MD HD XD Archive Garage

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    Tacoma Leaf Springs 2005-2023 MD HD XD Archive Garage

    Here's our XD pack. It has an extra leaf, 6 over 1 and rated 1,250 to 1,750 lbs added to rear axle weight. Weight adds up really quick!
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    Tacoma Leaf Springs 2005-2023 MD HD XD Archive Garage

    *T3G members start conversation for 5% discount Archive Tacoma leaf packs are designed by Archive for severe duty off road travel! -Made in USA with 5160 US steel, tip insert pads, FULL military wrap (only brand with wrap in HD/XD range), bolted spring clips -Top quality POLY bushings are...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    I don't think it's normal for the tip inserts to crack, never heard that happening with Deavers. It could be the maker of the inserts who sell them to the spring manufacturer has changed or are getting inferior product made from cheaper plastic. I recommend bumping up the Ubolt torque to 90 or...
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    Thanks for reminding me. We did start measuring for a solution for the rear, but we got really busy after I commented that at the start of pandemic. I will try to get back on that
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    Hey Tacoma3G, Archive has a 10% SALE sitewide now thru Nov www.archivegarage.com Use code: nov2022
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Originally the 110 and 111 had plenty of clearance to shackles, only 112 had interference. Then Dobinsons made 2nd leaf extend inside shackle on 110 and 111 as well, but it's not as bad as pictured, still rubs tho, and I suspect worse if you wheel them hard
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Dobinsons are a better design than Dakars, I like Dobinsons design overall, appropriate main leaf thickness, except they STILL have the shackle rubbing issue because the 2nd leaf extends inside shackle (carryover from Aus. Hilux design) and may cut up the shackle when heavily articulating...
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    T3G Feedback and questions about Tacoma3G.com - How can our community and website be better?

    I like the sound of TacomaPortal.com, good choice. Definitely much better than TacomaGspot.com Could be good to also give support back in generations for 1G and 2G
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    10% SALE SITEWIDE NOW THRU 5/31! USE CODE 8k10%off www.archivegarage.com
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Sumo springs are not an ideal solution, they are way to tall for a low lift Tacoma, they reduce suspension travel because they are an auxiliary spring
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    I'll have to get a thread started
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Looks like what is happening is the pack is completely compressed together, arch is used up, and all those bottom leaves are stronger than main leaf, so the main is deflecting. Seems like main leaf isn't strong enough. Deaver are good people, but since they revised the stage 2 and 3, I have...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Actually it isn't. RXT packs have the most common occurrence of power-on driveline vibration. @daidoo You first want to put new u-joints in your driveshaft, call the dealer, the 2nd gens had a recall on the ujoints, but 3rd gens are exactly the same soo... Don't chase your tail. Also, an...
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

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    Tutorial Archive Garage Hammer Hangers install tips, photos, and review

    For the forward "stock" position, you use 3 of the 4 original holes per side, and you just have to drill 1 additional per side in frame because of the aftermarket high clearance bumpers most land a bumper support 1/8" behind stock hanger. The rearmost "droop" position is where the Hammer...
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    Heaviest Tacoma? Mine weighs 7,900 lbs!

    Those airbag support tabs need to be extended down to the axle tube, the design depends on that for support. But yeah maybe Australians don't make the best springs for N. American truck models, referring to the destroyed shackles
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    Heaviest Tacoma? Mine weighs 7,900 lbs!

    This is not a jab at anyone in particular, the struggle is real, as Jeremy said:
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    I wouldn't stack AALs, just save for a new pack, or get a local spring shop to revamp your stock packs Pics and info coming soon on Archive HD and MD springs
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    We're considering opening that option. Please DM to discuss further
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    J66 are to be avoided for your needs because they are very soft and noodly, axle wrap We offer an Add a leaf that would do what you want. Like you said, Toyota tunes their springs for a completely unloaded truck, no good for any weight hauling.
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Deaver or hopefully Archive soon. Read 1st post on All Pro
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Awesome, thank you. Our shock relocation doesn't add a bar across the bed, but you could if you wanted to. We offer a Tacoma3g member discount, DM me when you are ready to buy
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    This is for the Tacoma owners out there, and to expose the poor aftermarket selling parts that don't work properly. So in the past, I have been saying Dobinsons 110 + 111 springs were a good option that didn't need modification. That was true then, however, Dobinsons made a change to the 110...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Being that you have ADS shocks, and hoping those are well tuned, then it's the stock hangers causing that harshness. The combo of ADS shocks, stock leaves + AAL and Hh will ride great.
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Sorry for accidentally posting 4 times haha, can mods please delete extras?
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Is the rear suspension "stiff" or do you mean rough or harsh, as in it jitters and bounces sloppily over bumps? What you're very likely feeling is the feeling caused by the stock shackle hangers, they are flimsy and flexible and inhibit ride quality. It is hard to believe Toyota would make...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Is the rear suspension "stiff" or do you mean rough or harsh, as in it jitters and bounces sloppily over bumps? What you're very likely feeling is the feeling caused by the stock shackle hangers, they are flimsy and flexible and inhibit ride quality. It is hard to believe Toyota would make...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Is the rear suspension "stiff" or do you mean rough or harsh, as in it jitters and bounces sloppily over bumps? What you're very likely feeling is the feeling caused by the stock shackle hangers, they are flimsy and flexible and inhibit ride quality. It is hard to believe Toyota would make...
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    No, but the leaf springs may rest on the stock tailpipe during articulation, not a big deal. It is much worse to chop the tailpipe poorly, so it's aimed at the hangers as it can melt bushings. If you do chop it, careful where it's pointed
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Just get the Deaver bushings and ubolts Or consider the Archive Ubolt flip option 3👍
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    Rear Leaf Suggestions

    I don't know if Alcan has adjusted their 2nd leaf length, but it is possible TAV may have pushed Alcan to improve their design, since TAV had some issues with them and I discussed with TAV
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    That to me would definitely be stage 3 territory For anyone worried about ride with HD packs, Hammer hangers make the ride quality better, takes the edge off. The stock hangers flex more as the load goes up
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Be selective on the date of data you follow regarding Deaver U402 stage 2 & 3 because they were updated maybe 1 year ago. Just saying this as a heads up on Deaver stage 2 & 3, these were updated to a 9-leaf design like Stage 1, just thicker steel, they used to be 10-11 leaves, and it seems they...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    I don't know but All Dogs bushings are much narrower than stock. All Dogs and All Pro
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    Hunter399 Build Thread

    Thank you for the support Hunter! The truck looks awesome, and I really like that navigation/TPAM mount setup
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    Thoughts on Hammer Hangers shackle hangers?

    Thanks Hunter, I don't remember whether you have shock relocation or not. I only have a recommendation for axle tab location for with shock relocation currently
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    First, Archive has offered a cross tube from the very first batch of Hammer hangers 3 years ago in November 2017. And it has been very good, NOT 1 SINGLE COMPLAINT about hitting it or bending with maybe 250+ cross tubes sold, maybe more. There is solid engineering principles behind the...
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    Explain Suspension Stages Please

    Honestly, Icons stages don't make sense to me. Deaver U402 expo springs are in 3 stages with approximate weight added to rear axle IIRC: stage 1: 0-300 lbs stage 2: 400-700ish stage 3: 700-1000 ish
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    wheel spacers? good? bad?

    There's a huge difference between the China crap and Spidertrax spacers. The steel studs and nuts to proper strength metric class, the dimensional accuracy, the aluminum used and the anodizing all matter and you get best with Spidertrax, Ive used them for a few years and 15,000 miles, not a...
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    Discount Code Share your discount codes here!

    Thank you for posting! Code november10 is good thru Nov 30th!
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    If its the bushings, use energy suspension bushing grease on the bushings, other than that, pretty much look for metal to metal scrapping, such as the clips. I like to spray something on the springs to keep them from rusting
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Because Hammer hangers outperform it in ride quality, bump travel, vehicle handling and load handling, and Hh virtually eliminate rear sway. Get your lift from leaf springs or if you only need 1" lift a block isn't that bad
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Thanks for the vote and recommendation!
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Not bashing Dobinsons, I like the general design a lot, but I feel these issues are what occurs when a company makes parts for a vehicle in a different market than the HQ are based in. I brought up an issue with Dob 112s how the 2nd leaf extends inside shackles, and to their credit, they...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    The old Dakars CS047R packs had the same issue
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    I agree, all the bolt threads should point towards the driver side, since passenger side clips have nothing to interfere with.
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Yeah you'll need to turn that bolt around, common issue with several mfrs springs actually because Toyota put gas tank surprisingly close to spring Maybe if you droop the axle out, you will be able to get the bolt turned around without removing the spring
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Inspect your shackles, see if they are gouged up with notches cut in them and share a picture
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    I personally like the Dobinsons better, I don't like the Icons method, The Icons extra leaf (you add in) is much thicker than the main leaf which is backwards. OME and ICON think you can make everyone happy with 1 leaf pack and I don't agree, it results in compromises.
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Simply add up everything you have added to rear axle weight or go weigh rear axle on a scale. Everything you put on your truck can add or subtract weight from rear. Mfrs list the added weight range, such as Deaver U402 series and Dobinsons
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Very likely the cause of that noise
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    Archive Garage Tacoma Hammer Hangers® HD Shackle Hangers

    September 1st is the perfect Tacoma Tuesday to introduce Archive Garage's brand new Hammer Hangers Version 3 (started shipping end of July) -Highest clearance hangers on the market -Only hangers that allow both optimized location for Deaver, Alcan, Allpro or now stock location for Dumbkars (your...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Alcan are pretty good but historically they have been so long (fine with Hammer hangers) and they extend the 2nd leaf into the shackle I am working on it, pretty hard finding a good US supplier and definitely slowed down by Covid even on Tundra offering How heavy a set of springs do you want?
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    Heaviest Tacoma? Mine weighs 7,900 lbs!

    For the spray jets, you could just nab a windshield spray bottle and get some garden nozzles. Saw it in a car magazine building a rally car. Might get you out of the red in some situation...maybe The hood vent would be to relieve air pressure building in the engine bay that limits flow thru...
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    Heaviest Tacoma? Mine weighs 7,900 lbs!

    It is what it is, I tried to give some practical ideas to deal with the added stress, edited my post. That is cool the camper mounts to the frame, I agree that should help the chassis. The GVWR and payload depend on a lot of factors, so it may be lower due to loads the transmission or axles can...
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    Heaviest Tacoma? Mine weighs 7,900 lbs!

    The number you want to keep in mind is Toyota's GVWR, that is the total max weight of the vehicle with passengers, it is appallingly low, like 5,600 lbs (payload of only 1,100-1,300 lbs). If you go look at your door jam sticker, it is listed like Andy said. These Corolla's, I mean Tacomas, are...
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    Tacoma Wheel Sensor Skids

    Thank you! Thanks everyone for the orders, I was surprised that these have been so well received
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    Alignment numbers

    accidental post
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    Tacoma Wheel Sensor Skids

    Thank you!
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    Tacoma Wheel Sensor Skids

    More info and ordering here: https://archivegarage.com/explore-archive/ols/products/tacoma-wheel-sensor-skids-2005
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    Tacoma Wheel Sensor Skids

    NEW! Tacoma wheel sensor skids in high strength steel (2005+) Fact: Archive designed this independently weeks ago without knowledge of another brand offering similar ideas for a different Toyota model mounted to bearing studs.
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    Alignment numbers

    If anyone is trying to increase body mount clearance, then you would try to avoid having the upper control arm gain more caster, which would mean it is pulling the wheel hub rearward towards the body mount. You would try to rotate the LCA ball joint forward (viewed from above), which would then...
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    Sag: How far off the bumps stops are you?

    Yeah, I bet a Corolla has more. Don't be afraid to get some real lift to make the rear suspension work better. For others in this situation, you might consider the Archive Ubolt flip kit with option 3 Archive Speed bumps for soft engagement and they compress a good amount
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    Sag: How far off the bumps stops are you?

    The stock unloaded dimension from the point of stock bump up to bump brackets is about 2.5" The stock lift height is ~8.25" if measure from top of the axle tube to bottom of the frame rails (not bump bracket). I bet your truck would be around 7"
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    Am I missing anything to complete my lift?

    Hey Chris, Having tried some of the things you are planning I can give some reviews. If you need it to drive perfectly, I would leave it mostly stock and near stock height for a while. Having experienced Bilstein 5100s on 2 Toyotas, I think they are worse than stock shocks, I feel a waste...
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    Frame stiffening

    A lot of the reverberations you mention in point 2 are due to the terrible stock hangers, which are very springy, causing the frame/bed to bounce and jitter. The most straightforward fix to reduce this is installing Archive Garage Hammer hangers plus the cross tube option. The Hh make the...
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    Wildpeak at3w’s

    I bought Wildpeak AT3W in your exact size P265/70-17. It took a while, but I became disappointed with these tires, after directly comparing them to other tires. I originally bought them for my family rig, 2005 Sequoia. On that truck, I was able to directly compare 4 sets of tires, 3 sets of...
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    Rear Leaf Suggestions

    I think you need to upgrade the leaf pack in some way, the stock spring rate is good for an unloaded truck (typical for Toyota), so if you add 400lbs, it will be low, and you'll be hitting the rear bumpstops continually and it will get old, especially with how hard the stock bumpstops are. It...
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    The Skinny on 235/85/16’s

    I ran 255/80-17 (~32.8", same as 255/85-16) Cooper ST Maxx mounted on FJ Cruiser steel wheels 17x7.5 15mm offset (4.75" BS), on my 2nd gen with tired front shocks, your truck should have more clearance. I think they barely rubbed while lower than original height as I said. 235/85-16 or...
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    T3G Feedback and questions about Tacoma3G.com - How can our community and website be better?

    I think the possibility is that scammers come on an throw something up "for sale" and then take members money, I think that the minimum post count on some forums is to protect the members from scams
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    Rear Leaf Suggestions

    All depends what suspension you put up front. I like to have the rear sit a little higher in preparation for weight, plus it adds bump travel to rear suspension
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    Rear Leaf Suggestions

    both brands are around 2" lift, but the RXT is customizable, but it is work I personally like Dobinsons
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    Add-a-leaf: This is not an attack on anyone, this is an explanation, and you can choose to use this info if you like. The picture is borrowed from a member, not picking on personally, many people have done this beforehand, I just haven't tripped over pics until now. So here is something that...
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    Leaf Spring Comparison: All-Pro, Allcan, Icon, Dobinsons, Deavers, Archive, Dakars

    To find your actual lift height, measure from the top of the axle tube to bottom of frame rail (near bump bracket), stock is ~8.25 on numerous 2nd/3rd gen Tacomas I have personally measured. A 3" lift would then be about 11.25"
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